By SUSAN LAHEY
Reporter with Silicon Hills News
“Having done my own startup a couple years ago, it’s amazing how much money I spent on the legal fees,” said Tony Frey, a product management and strategy executive who is advising the Lawful.ly team. “It’s easy to go find various resources, you can find these documents but if you’re not versed in legal issues you think ‘This sounded right to me.’ Then you go back to your legal advisors and they come unglued because they’re like: ‘You found this document? It’s a great document if you’re in California but you’re in Texas and you really screwed yourself with this.”
Murphy, started out in IT and then got his law degree, and now serves as an attorney at Dell. He doesn’t want to abolish lawyers but instead have them serve the function of counselors on complicated legal matters, not filling out forms.
“People who use contracts should be able to interpret them without having to go to a lawyer,” he said. “It should be understandable to you what is and isn’t allowed…. If you’re looking for auto mechanic advice you can go to a forum and find all sorts of great information. But it’s really hard to find that going on around legal advice. The other question is, ‘How much can I trust this advice?’ One thing we do differently is add that level of verification and trust. Explanations on documents will have been voted up, similar to Quora.”
Clark said he believed the legal profession was at a tipping point. The old guard protected the legal profession through language the deliberately obscured the meaning, so that only lawyers could interpret it. It was a kind of job security. Young people, he said, prefer more open source information. “There’s a distain among the younger generation of closed systems…. Wikipedia is a huge success; I think that’s exactly what this generation wants.”
The founders plan for the information on the site—including such documents as NDAs and series certifications of incorporation—to be free for the public. Business owners could use it. Lawyers, too. Murphy said that, as a corporate attorney, he’s familiar with corporate transactions but “I’m not a lot better than Joe-up-the-street at writing wills. Attorney’s tend to specialize.”
“When you go to law school they give you free access to Westlaw and Lexus, it’s like crack cocaine,” said Clark. But if you’re in private practice, those services cost a fortune. Last time they priced it, Lexus was about $2,000 a month.
The founders plan to monetize Lawful.ly through institutions like government agencies and law schools. Law schools, they said, give students access to expensive services like Lexus Nexus, but students could use even more.
Kyle Mitchell, a UT law student and open source coder who met Murphy through the site GitHub, is one of the beta users. As a law student, he said, he has access to all kinds of legal information through the library. “They give you a lot of information but it’s still rare and hard to find documents that explain themselves,” he said. With Lawful.ly, he said, it’s: “Here’s a form. Here are some comments that explain kinda sorta what these parts mean, what these words mean and not just the blanks for you to fill in. There are other services online that provide ‘Come and Take It’ legal services, Rocket Laywer, Legalzoom. They’re just providing forms with blanks to fill in and the ability to send them around and get them signed electronically.”
Lawful.ly is Murphy’s second company and he pitched at DEMO and applied with Tech Stars.
“When it comes to pitching I just tell him, make sure you don’t sound like a lawyer,” Frey said. “VCs are the farthest thing from a lawyer. They’re all seat-of-your-pants, all about what you feel. You’re going to want to make sure you have all your arguments lined up and they’re looking for your passion.”
“He’s making the transition very well. He’s articulate, comes across knowing what he’s talking about in this space and that’s paramount over everything. Legal scares everybody. Listening to Chris talk, he’s very even-toned…. Some of his success in the early beta is that he is good at connecting with people. People can grab onto that and make this community grow big, fast.”